You, as I understand it, are one of the people who helped persuade Rabbi Abraham Heschel to come down also and support Martin Luther King and the groups of Jews and Christians who gathered around King were very, very important, weren't they? There's moral force. Oh, yeah. I hope that Edward Kaplan's sketch of my influence is accurate, but I must tell you, Heschel did not need a lot of persuading. His feet were itching. Yes. It was just a question of, would he be responsible. After all, he had a wife and a very young daughter. Yes. I helped him address those, but Heschel was ready to march and engaged from the beginning. Yes. We so admire his leadership. His daughter Susanna of course has continued that and saw that. Yes. Even as I said the word persuade, I realized that wasn't the right word, but he, and you, and many others were leaders that we all looked up to, as young people, when we were watching what was happening with civil rights. I just want to reflect that and draw it in. It's a great inspiration. Rabbi again that's partly because I think many of us feel, and I know you shared this, is that when the Civil Rights Movement gained religious moral leadership and this ethical force for change that you and other leaders brought to and with King supporting his work, we could see the transformation beginning to happen. We still have a long way to go of course, but our hope is with environmental issues that the same kind of moral force and leadership will also begin to flourish and blossom even more. We have strong beginnings there, and we'd started some of it at the Harvard conferences with you in the mid 90s, but I'd love to draw you out on what also brought you to your sense of environmental concerns that have been important in your life. Again, as with so many influences that shape our lives, there is a certain cloud covering those origins and the mists swirl and conceal. But at one level, childhood memories, we lived just two blocks in Sheridan, just two blocks from the Rock Island railroad track and the Rock Island Rockets would come speeding through Sheridan each night. One of the big thrills was to walk a block and a half down the unpaved street and watch this bullet swish by. But under that bridge, there were then cornfields stretching maybe 115 miles and a vast ocean, and I loved that. It really invited me in. I was sensitive too at that point. But then as I became more maturely involved with Judaism, there was this sense that this wonder, this amazing enticement was a gift of a purposeful Deity, and that with gift came also responsibility, the responsibility to preserve that precious gift, and so when there were Midrashim, Rabbinic expostulations on the importance of preserving this gift. The fact that it was our responsibility. In your beautiful poetic mode, so please continue about. A sense of rapture was cut into by a sense of responsibility. Yeah. I think that one of the gifts of Judaism, with its life and creation affirmation, one of the gifts of Judaism is the sense that both are our inheritance and both are our burden. Yeah. The rapture and the responsibilities, and if we can keep them intertwined, but not with effort. We don't do the braiding, but if we're lucky enough to find ourselves enmeshed in it, then of course what we do is maintain their proximity and preserve and advance both of them. Beautiful. You can just keep going, I'm hanging to every word here. This is to us also, the heart of the matter. You've said it so beautifully that, if we can awaken, reawaken awe and wonder and reverence and beauty, we have this extraordinary spiritual and aesthetic force that's so much at the heart of religion, isn't it? Very much.